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Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Diragi on Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:35 pm

Somthing I'm musing over (if I were to do this I'd consider market garden but that would give me zero prep time).

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/Documents/Briefings/Airborne-Armoured-Recce-Squadron.pdf

So apparently this is a mech list (and not armoured) [FV]

list1
170 2 Tetrach, 2x Tetrach CS, SdKfdz10/5 AA
425 4x Cromwell
425 4x Cromwell
170 4x Tetrach
230 3x rifle/mg parachute squads
220 Priority Typhoons
1625

note: not sold on the Tetrach, consider switching it for a Airlanding Assault Platoon (same price, 5 teams in jeeps/recon). Also priority air with that speed is probably overkill unless you consider intercepts.

list2
85 1x Tetrach, 1x Tetrach CS
425 4x Cromwell
425 4x Cromwell
320 3x Cromwell
220 3x rifle/mg airlanding squads
170 Limit Typhoons
1645



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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  CA$H on Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:03 pm

croms for the win!
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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Diragi on Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:29 pm

I'd be in trouble if the mission had mobile reserves though.
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Post  Matt Varnish on Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:30 am

Not really: Para's on foot deploy, so do the big cromwell platoon, attach command to it(assuming list 2) so at least you get 2 platoons down.

Actually, something weird about the command tanks in list 1.. since HQ tank teams CANNOT be allocated out, you would have the following platoon: 2IC Tetrarch, 2x CS Tetrarchs, and the AA halftrack,, I guess you could "leave behind" the AA track and move off, but still.. a weird unit to be sure.

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Post  Diragi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:21 pm

ok how about? I think heavy lists (KTs/Ruskies) would eat these for lunch but oh well.

Code:
list 1: Airlanding Armoured Recce
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 85      1 Tetrach and 1 Tetrach CS
425      4 Cromwell IV
425      4 Cromwell IV
155      Airlanding Machine-Gun Platoon (2 Sections)
 80      Airlanding Mortar Platoon (1 Section)
230      Parachute Platoon (3 Squads)
 75      Airlanding Recce Platoon (1 Section)
170      Limited Air Support

1645
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list 2: Airlanding Armoured Recce
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85 1x Tetrach, 1x Tetrach CS
425 4x Cromwell
425 4x Cromwell
320 3x Cromwell
220 3x rifle/mg airlanding squads
170 Limit Typhoons
1645
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Post  Diragi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:16 pm

Blah no Tetrachs for sale on wayland and Croms are only in the boxes (5 per) -- no blisters.
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Post  CA$H on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:21 pm

What?

You can buy Croms individually......BR041 Cromwell IV
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Post  Diragi on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:26 pm

weird. ok crisis "averted".
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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Matt Varnish on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:26 am

Is this from that newly-legit-for-V3 PDF? If so thats really cool. It makes sense for you to FINALLY be doing British hah. Tip-top, cheerio, and all that rubbish.
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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Diragi on Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:20 pm

Yup.

It looks like there's a minor point break for Cromwells, in TT they are 335/450 [FV] and in the pdf they are 320/425 [FV]for 3 and 4 tank platoons. Though the infantry platoons are for the most part 5 pts more.

Also in TT there's no armoured recce for the airborne, only those desert rat [RT] @ 245 for 3
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airborne Recon

Post  Obsidian23 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:08 am



Hi Guys,

i run a Brit Para Force so I found the Recon PDF interesting.

Here is the quick list I put together taking into consideration that list 2 only has 4 platoons.

HQ
Tetrach Comd
2 x Tetrach CS
Captured SDkfz 10/2 155 points

Cbt Pl
3 x Cromwell 320 points

Cbt Pl
3 x Cromwell 320 points

Cbt pl
3 x Cromwell 320 points

Parachute Platoon
1 x Comd Rifle
1 x Piat
6 x Rfl/MG Teams 230 points

Air Landing Lt Battery
1 x Comd Rfl
1 x Staff team
2 x Jeeps
4 x M1A1 75mm Howitzers
4 x Jeeps 155 points

Airlanding AT Platoon
1 x Comd Rfl Team
4 x 6 pounder AT guns 150 points


Total 1650 points


Just food for thought.

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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Diragi on Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:22 am

Obsidian23 wrote:
HQ
Tetrach Comd
2 x Tetrach CS
Captured SDkfz 10/2 155 points

Hey we figured out something -- you might want to refer to P260 of the rulebook -- "tank teams that are HQ support weapons must remain in the HQ support platoon." And going by p8 the Sdkfz 10/2 is a tank team/unarmoured vehicle.

td;dr -- I think your list is 7 platoons with one of them (1 Tetrach CS + 1 Sdkfz) being really weak.

Thanks for the list though. In the end I decided to wait for the new Market Garden books to come out and see what I'd like better / find as many common units for both lists.
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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Matt Varnish on Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:28 am

True, the new rules on HQ support tanks hurts the british in the worst way, since they typically ran 3 tank units. THat being said, the captured halftrack and CS tetrarchs can be 'left behind' as need be, which is what I used to do with my 2 CS A10 Cruisers in early war.. move the 2 command ones up, leave the CS behind to bombard/babysit an objective.
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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Diragi on Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:00 am

The Tetrach CS only has 24" range Sad
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Post  Matt Varnish on Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:18 am

Then its useless Smile

It was a weird doctrine, to have the command tanks be the close suppot vehicles. I know in my research for the Churchill ones, I came across one old Churchill that had been in 30+ "battles" and fired ONCE. And that one time was to demolish a building so they could go around a german roadblock in an Italian town in 1944. I just will never use them, unless I am forced to buy them (some lists you don;t get a choice)
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Airborne Recon

Post  Obsidian23 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:30 am


Diragi,

No mate its still six platoons. Bot better than four especially if you have a reserve scenario.

The CS and 10/2 I would keep to protect the arty platoon from air and ground attack and perhaps help secure an objective if I have one in my deployment area.

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Post  Matt Varnish on Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:58 am

Its 7. If you take ANY extraneous tank models in the HQ section, they become "a platoon" with the 2 IC that must lead them. pg 260. The major change from 2nd that I as a British player have been dealing with is the part about "cannot attach tank teams", which by default forms the 7th platoon in your list because you have the extra stuff. In my Motor Company, I have 7 platoons, but CAN make an eighth because I choose the 2 tube mortar attachment which MAY be attached, giving me flexibility in a reserve game with a cheap 50 pt platoon. But Brit tank lists are hooped. You will rarely see that third HQ tank anymore because it forces the 2IC and that one extra tank to be a platoon. I know my Crusader list, my Grant list and my Churchill list, have all lost the extra HQ tank. I like the flexibility of having a OC and 2IC tank be able to be on their own, or to both join a unit and make a super unit of tanks, not be tied down babysitting the third HQ tank Smile
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Armoured Recon

Post  Obsidian23 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:41 pm


Hi Matt, Diragi,

Yep ok point conceded, no worries, I'm flexible like a rubber band. I would just keep the HQ support as a lasts reserve and or keep it with the arty as protection.

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Post  Diragi on Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:42 pm

It just makes it a lot more difficult to max out your points in a tournament setting -- at least w/ the Germans for their tank lists you have a million variants of stuff to pick from.
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Post  Matt Varnish on Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:03 pm

Obsidian, its not about conceding or winning a point, I just want to make sure you don;t get caught at the tournament thinking you have 3 units in reserve when its really 4!!!!
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Post  Obsidian23 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:12 pm


Oh it's ok Matt. I happily take any advice or concede if I have made a wrong call. Very flex as I said. I think the SdKfz and CS are useful even if they Havel cout as an additional platoon. I think I would use them and as a means of protecting against air for the arty.
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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Diragi on Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:36 pm

IMHO the list's greatest anti-air is their speed... getting inside that 16 inch waive off zone asap.


I do get what you are selling with the kfz and CD tank. I just think the briefing only works at specific point levels so it's less flexible.

Then again... if you want to run 4 Cromwell platoons backed by paras you have zero other options.


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Airborne Armour

Post  Obsidian23 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:22 pm


Yep if I wanted to run all Cromwells its pretty much the only option. I find having all those cromwells with a 16" move and being CV as well are pretty good. A Para platoon protected by AT 11 anti tank and arty to protect my objectives should work. 9 Cromwells should do ok though. I would like to try this force out and see how it would run.

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Re: Airborne Armoured Recce for GS?

Post  Diragi on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:02 pm

I ran the 11 crom + para list versus "Matt Varnish's" soviet heavy tank company. I lost but surprising did ok (did in when his t-34 reserves came in on my flank)... what's nice about the 4 tank platoon versus the 3 tank platoon is that you have to take an extra casualty before having to take morale tests..

I think this has the most potential, has the smoke/recce/etc... could go with 6 pdrs instead of the MGs...

Code:
list 1: Airlanding Armoured Recce
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 85      1 Tetrach and 1 Tetrach CS
425      4 Cromwell IV
425      4 Cromwell IV
155      Airlanding Machine-Gun Platoon (2 Sections)
 80      Airlanding Mortar Platoon (1 Section)
230      Parachute Platoon (3 Squads)
 75      Airlanding Recce Platoon (1 Section)
170      Limited Air Support

1645

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