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May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Joyous_Oblivion on Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:15 pm

So just to start another discussion about armoure lists I figure this would be better than doing it on Matt's announcement thread.

What do you guys think of Fireflies for this event? I'm kind of worried they'd be too fragile but their high AP might make up for it. Not having the book at work with me, can you do CT fireflies out of Market Garden or are all the lists CT?

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Stormtrooper on Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:04 pm

The only Trained tank list that easy army lists is the 11th Armoured Recce squadron with Cromwells and Challengers, so no Fireflies.
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Thunderst on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:10 pm

all Canadian list in Market Garden are CV. you can do CT out of Overlord though

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  CA$H on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:22 pm

If you want Fireflies- take the new Canadian lists.

If you just want Shermans, the USA lists are nuts........
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  PhantomRescue on Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:42 pm

Light Tank Company (2nd Cav)
  USA Late-War

Tank Company
165 Light Tank Company HQ (2nd Cav)
250 Light Tank Platoon (2nd Cav)
250 Light Tank Platoon (2nd Cav)
250 Light Tank Platoon (2nd Cav)
225 Tank Destroyer Platoon (Veteran)
185 Field Artillery Battery (Veteran)
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1325


This list would be ILLEGAL, since it contains TD's (Recce) and Artillery

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Tankovy Batalon (Guards)
Tank Company
50 Tankovy Batalon HQ (Guards)
395 Tankovy Company (Guards)
395 Tankovy Company (Guards)
260 Medium Assault Gun Company (Guards)
245 Medium Assault Gun Company (Guards)
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1345


This list would be LEGAL, even though it has multiple support platoons, they all contain tanks and would be allowed
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Matt Varnish on Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:47 pm

The TD's aren't illegal, if you don't deploy the Security Section. Then they are all tank teams. See? You have to think like a 40k player sometimes Smile
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Matt Varnish on Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:59 pm

Oh, I will bring a strudel for every d-bag who brings Rudel Smile



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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  RKelly on Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:42 pm

Delayed reserves will be tough. The lists l, ve come up with are all 2 or 3 platoons. I forsee some sitzkrieging until my reserves show up.

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  CA$H on Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:04 pm

2hrs for 1350pts...........


Guess I better bring something to do for the other 90 minutes per game..........hehe

Buy some Magic cards maybe........

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Stormtrooper on Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:39 pm

The Cav reroll for reserves would be golden.
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Thunderst on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:21 pm

PhantomRescue wrote:

This list would be ILLEGAL, since it contains TD's (Recce) and Artillery

TD/TD security sections are no longer Recce

LESSONS FROM THE FRONT QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON FLAMES OF WAR NOVEMBER 2013 wrote:Teams from a Self-propelled Anti-tank Platoon, Tank Destroyer
Platoon, or Towed Tank Destroyer Platoon use the Cautious
Movement and Disengage rules, and have the 3+ save for unarmoured
Jeep teams, as if they were Recce teams.

and I'm going to bring that just to mess with you

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Panzerkommanduer on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:38 pm

KG Kastner is a Tank army but is organized like Grenadiers <_< >_>

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Matt Varnish on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:48 pm

@ Thunder.. They are now once more illegal (since his posting his rules) since they are a reconnaissance CHOICE on the force org and not a TANK CHOICE.   Why is it human nature to always try and find ways around a limit when one is imposed Smile 

I'll be bringing this:  
King Tiger HQ 350
King Tiger 340
King Tiger 340
BeuteStuG of 3 Hotchkiss 39's
3 15cm Nebs.

1340 pts.

Its free intel, purely because this is the only legal tank company I can run!!! Not enough Panzer IV-Hs to run a regular Pzr Coy, and not enough Pzr III's to run the Hermann Goering LW list thanks to the stupid up-to-half rule.


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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Matt Varnish on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:49 pm

Panzerkommanduer wrote:KG Kastner is a Tank army but is organized like Grenadiers <_< >_>

I think we can stop being 40k power gaming dicks now, or else Matt will get mad and include some sort of hidden secret rule in an envelope, right? Smile Smile Smile
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Panzerkommanduer on Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:51 pm

That's my concern, were gunna have Devils Charge release all over again, remember that event? 24 players. 13KT

Two hours of WOT sound effects.

"It bounced!"
"It didn't go though!"

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  PhantomRescue on Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:37 am

"We just dinged 'em."
At least there are a few answers for King Tigers. Yes, I know TD are not considered recon anymore, but like it was mentioned, they are not an armored platoon choice. Unless they have changed their association as well because recon no longer applies. I might try and see if BF has ruled on that part of it.
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Matt Varnish on Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:25 am

Brad you bettet bring sometging from the book you helped write. The missions with reserves means having KTS will do little if I can't hold an obj. But I have choice lol. Its all I can take. Matt.. don't change the rules now.. if ists under recon.. it ain't a tank choice.
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Diragi on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:38 am

Panzerkommanduer wrote:That's my concern, were gunna have Devils Charge release all over again, remember that event? 24 players. 13KT

Two hours of WOT sound effects.

"It bounced!"
"It didn't go though!"

Aim for the weakspots noob Razz
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Joyous_Oblivion on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:53 am

Ok so with the further restrictions, this seems to be a Return of the German Tanks tourney, lol.

Really not sure what to take now...I am not buying a new army just for this and sadly I think the US will get squashed since TD assets can't be taken.

Just to be clear (since the poster isn't) we can only take take tank platoons from an Armoured List? Does it have to say tank platoon or is it still just platoons consisting entirely of 'tank' type models??


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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  CA$H on Fri Mar 07, 2014 12:09 pm

Joyous_Oblivion wrote:Ok so with the further restrictions, this seems to be a Return of the German Tanks tourney, lol.

Really not sure what to take now...I am not buying a new army just for this and sadly I think the US will get squashed since TD assets can't be taken.

Just to be clear (since the poster isn't) we can only take take tank platoons from an Armoured List? Does it have to say tank platoon or is it still just platoons consisting entirely of 'tank' type models??


I think the idea was moved to "TANK COMPANY" lists- meaning you could have Sherman combat platoons, and a TD support platoon.

But TD Companies are Mech, so they are out. US Armored lists can compete, easily, with Jumbos, Easy8, and TD support.
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  PhantomRescue on Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:05 pm

Matt Varnish wrote:Matt.. don't change the rules now.. if ists under recon.. it  ain't a tank choice.

I'm not, but some of the rules HAVE changed around me, I was just curious as to whether not they are classified the same. I'm sorry if some guys don't want to possibly come because there might be a King Tiger lurking around...oh no!! How about some air, it's always worked for me in games where I was outmatched...just ask Tristan.
Hurricane FTW.
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Panzerkommanduer on Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:12 pm

Ok, so I've been chewing this over some more.

We consider anything under "Tank teams" to be legal right? including it's sub-headings?

for example,

I've been toying with a list that has M-10's and Universal Carriers.

Both of these are listed as "Self Propelled Guns" and "Reconnaissance " respectively.

However, those listings are both sub-headings under "Tank Teams"

I've therefore come to the conclusion that neither of these qualify as my one non-tank platoon and I'm free to select another platoon.(Arty or Infantry for example)

Am I correct in these assumptions?

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Matt Varnish on Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:37 pm

See i had suggested he make that more clear, but he said its crystal clear Smile It says in the rules tank TYPE, IE it is an Armor choice. So despite the fact that Wespes are tank TEAMS, their choice TYPE is Artillery, not Armor. So Pumas would count as your non tank TYPE selection. Smile
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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Panzerkommanduer on Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:14 pm

Fair enough, So were playing by what it actually is, as apposed to what the game says it is. Which is cool, I just had to make sure.

On to the next list than!

Does anyone not think a Stug is a tank?

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Re: May Madness Armoured Discussion

Post  Big_Willie on Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:29 pm

Panzerkommanduer wrote:Does anyone not think a Stug is a tank?

Won't it be under assault gun not tank? I know for the other large tank hunters they are grouped under tank and the. Under the sub heading tank hunter. So far I've come up with a couple of lists that are all tanks in the tank heading and sub heading. I see the hurricane, Hs 129B3 and Rudel being worth their weight in gold.

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